updated April 2007
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Get off it!!#1 let me start bye saying that I've really enjoyed this site and will continue to do so, I would like to thank Popeye personally for doing a job well done. However I'm getting really tired of all the comments directed towards straights ,since I've been coming here I have not seen any hint of discrimination from anyone that ventures to this site as far as them being gay bisexual or whatever ..all though what I have seen is a home page that states a HIV site for HETROSEXUALS !!!
That is our preferences as the gay community has theirs, come on people lets be intelligent enough to determine preference from discrimination, I've seen thousands of gay sites for HIV that I don't care to explore, that is my CHIOCE this is one of the very few sites I have found for my preference, the word is CHOICE not discrimination wake up!
SO SHAPE UP OR SHIP OUT !!!! .......Shore PatrolSteve
HIV /out of aids? The most blatant form of discrimination we are all guilty of is the artificial firewall (two inches high) that we use to designate between HIV and aids. It's a distinction without a difference. While keeping ourselves feeling warm and safe in our cocoon of an HIV diagnosis we heave out brothers and sisters with "aids" over the side. There was a time when the powers that be thought it made sense to let outsiders know some of us were still doing ok with this disease, hence "I'm just HIV positive". But today with the advent of triple combo therapy we can slide from HIV positive to full blown then back again. It's silly and it defeats one of the best aids slogans of our time, "by the year 2000 everyone will know someone with the aids virus". Of course we know just about everyone already does know someone with the aids virus...but again the bigger crime is when we, on the terra firma of HIV, wave by-by to those on the ship to oblivion with aids. Now I know this (the coming out with the fact that we have "aids") isn't for everyone. But we could at least start amongst ourselves, within out own group. I agree with the tone of the Nov. 99 poz magazine layout that says "yes" I have aids. Some words if said often enough lose all of their power to hurt.Jack
Just thanks...>Thanks for putting together such a classy place for HIV+ people to get together and exchange viewpoints and phone numbers. I have a personal ad posted, and I've written to a couple of other ad-posters, and I haven't made a love-connection yet, but I still like your style and upbeat approach. It is refreshing to find a website that is geared toward relationships as much as sex. As for all the yakking about discrimination, those queens don't know what the hell they are talking about. I'm queer too, and I think you are head and shoulders above all the homo sites I've visited. However, there is the opinion among straights that gay men dominate in HIV circles (how's it feel to be the minority? at least you are not persecuted and beaten up by us just for being a little bit different), and that poz gays don't face discrimination when dating. This can't be further from the truth. Gays are sensitive about it because we face open discrimination by straights in our daily lives, regardless of sero-status. Being positive compounds the problem, because it's yet something else to be hated for. I've ended many a date with the words, "I'm HIV positive." No one is special or unique in this kind of treatment. And that's what is so great about this site. I haven't given up yet, and I'm sure I'll meet some good friends, if not a lover through your site. Keep up the great work!
P.S. I also think it is interesting how you don't let on much about yourself sexually. I can't even figure out if you are male or female. hmmm. And you can print any of this letter you want, but I'll leave that up to you.Steve*Steve: Thank YOU. FYI: I'm a + male that loves women. Popeye * Discrimination Comments: I feel that anyone living with HIV/AIDS is discriminated against in so many ways already. Why should we discriminate against each other. It's quite obvious that our sexual preferences are different but whether a person identifies as straight, gay or whatever, if they have this disease then we are all fighting the same battle. Personal ads I think should be kept separate according to sexual preference but when it comes down to chat I think it's time to unite.Debbie
Scientists have discovered 2 new elements for the periodic chart-->
Element: WOMAN
Symbol: Wo
Atomic Weight: 120#'s more or less
Physical properties: Generally round in form. Boils at nothing and may
freeze anytime.
Melts whenever treated properly. Very bitter if not used well.
Chemical properties: Very active. Possesses strong affinity to gold,
silver, platinum, and precious stones. Violent when left alone. Able to
absorb great amounts of exotic food. Turns slightly green when placed
next to a better specimen. Ages rapidly.
Usage: Highly ornamental. An extremely good catalyst for disintegration
of wealth. Probably the most powerful income reducing agent know.
Caution: Highly explosive in inexperienced hands.
Element: MAN
Symbol: XY
Atomic weight: 180+/-100
Physical properties: Solid at room temperature but easily gets bent out
of shape. Fairly dense and sometimes flaky. Difficult to find a pure
sample. Due to rust, aging samples are unable to conduct electricity as
easily as young fresh samples.
Chemical Properties: Attempts to bond with WO any chance it can get.
Also, tends to form strong bonds with itself. Becomes explosive when
mixed with Kd (element KID) for prolonged period of time. Pretty basic.
Neutralize by saturating with alcohol.
Usage: None really, except methane production. Good samples are able to
produce large quantities on command.
Caution: In the absence of WO, this element rapidly decomposes and
begins to smell.>SusanThere are many gay web sites, gay forums, gay newsgroups. I don't think we need to apologize for having a straight site.
Re: Site Discrimination-3Steve
Re: Site Discrimination-2I guess that we just feel discriminated against because we are a minority. If we had an afro-american HIV page no one would say anything. Obviously this person has not had the experience of calling organization after organization to try to find support and be told that none exists for his culture. The only difference between heterosexual and homosexual is sexual preference but, when it comes to dating it makes all the difference in the world. In the gay community with infection rates approaching 50% in some major cities getting a date is not a problem but in the "straight" community it is a major undertaking. If its ok to put a gay flag on a car why isn't it ok to advertise that you are straight? Just sign me proud of my lifestyle also.Kevin
In truth I never considered the point brought up in the previous posting about discrimination, or appearing that way. It was not my intention. Almost exclusively us 'straights' support and information have come through the gay community and we are now and forever in their debt. But............ Truth is there is a difference in the way we relate to certain issues that can be all encompassing, like trying to form opposite sex relationships. In the secretive heterosexual ('straight') environment in which we live, we're pretty much celibate and alone unless we're willing on that second or third encounter to broach the taboo subject of the virus. About 95% of the time this still leaves us celibate and alone, and if our character judgment was off, it can make us a disease onto ourselves within the day to day world we're trying to inhabit. My intention with this site is to try and provide a way for us heterosexuals to find each other, I only stressed the 'straight' point, to try and make that point. In my rush to form a link between various isolated HIV 'straight' social clubs and organizations I guess I got clumsy. I will re-think my language, I have no desire to cause grief to so many friends that we owe so much to. I appreciate you taking the time to throw a little cold water on my face.Popeye
Site DiscriminationDear Popeye,Let me introduce myself. My name is TJ and I am the host for the HIV ZONE II CHAT room. I have been HIV positive for 12 years and was diagnosed with full blown AIDS in 1991. I have been an AIDS educator now for the past 6 years. When I started the "ZONE" my intent was to create a place in which "all" people effected by HIV/AIDS could come and discuss there like problems, and to also provide a place for family members and friends to seek out support, in order to cope with the loved ones who are fighting against AIDS, in a compassionate and caring way. I saw a post that you left in The HIV ZONE II CHAT and decided to stop by to check out your site! I see that you've just started on building, what I'm sure will be a truly successful site. I am disturbed that you go to such great means to point out that this site is for people who are HIV positive, but "straight", and unfortunately I do take offense to this point, in so much that you seem to be saying that "straight" people dealing with AIDS, are different from "gay" people, or "black" people, or any group of individuals that are facing the same problem! I commend anyone that is willing to help others that are struggling with this dreadful disease, but as such as the HIV virus does not discriminate, not caring whether your "straight", "gay", "IV drug user", "black", "white", "man", "woman", or "child", I think our statement that this site is for those "straight" people afflicted by HIV is a blatant discrimination against so many other people, afflicted by the same disease, out there that need help. The HIV ZONE II CHAT is and never will be a place strictly for "gay" HIV positive people, and there is no statement made in reference to that issue, since it is irrelevant to the discussion of HIV/AIDS. I will also never tolerate any form of discussion in my room that even hints that certain people with HIV are different than others based solely on sexual preference, race, creed, or color. The intent of the "ZONE" is to help any and all people who are looking for information on how to deal with this dreadful disease. I hope that this is your mission too. Well I've had my say. I did not write this to "flame" you, as I said earlier, I commend anyone that is willing to help others deal with this disease. I just wish that you didn't make it sound like everyone affected by AIDS is a group all to its own. Please remember that "AIDS Does Not Discriminate", so why should we? I wish you continued success with your venture, and I hope you can do some good to help the world as a whole and make it a better place. Also thank you for taking the time to visit "The HIV ZONE II Chat".Regards, (TJ)
Vaccines and VolunteersHave you noticed how all the volunteers to try vaccines are acting like taking a vaccine is a major risk? Taking the vaccine is one thing but, if they don't expose themselves to the real virus afterwards then the research is not complete. It is nice that theyare volunteering to see if the vaccine is safe, but what about it being effective. It seems that there is simplistic viewpointbeing presented by the media.Kevin
Re: The Dental Damn IncidentThat was my house you were at. I am glad you had a good time. I think the appropriate place for a dental dam is to protect your tie during an impromptu liaison on the way to work. Otherwise I think that they are useless. I think that as more people date other positives they will start looking at negotiated risk. I personally think that too much protection can ruin romance. It should be noted that there are currently vaccinations for hepatitis A and B.Kevin
The Dental Damn IncidentLast month on my quest for kindred spirits in an area I'll be relocating too, I found myself at a social affair (for + straights) hosted in the hills overlooking the San Francisco Bay. 'Twas a modest three (or four) level home Peppered with 1000 year old trees and meditation areas blended into the hillside. As beautiful as was the place it was dwarfed by the people in attendance. Stepping alone into the foyer I was immediately impressed with the comfortable feeling of people at peace. As I wondered the halls being drawn into conversations and made welcome by all, I took a moment to admire a classy creature at profile standing in an archway directing an animated exchange, with whom I could not tell. Decided to wonder through, have a look. As her part in the conversation slowed I step over and excused myself to pass. She turned her smile on me, came eye to eye and said without preamble. "So what do you think the danger is in using a dental damn". (Hell of a place to enter a conversation). "Suffocation" says I. It was the only thing that came to mind, ya could have heard a barnacle crawl. In the couple hours the next few seconds took before the conversation restarted I began my trek across the room and found the talk was quite serious, concerned with the transmission of Hepatitis, I felt the fool, though I did spy more than one grin at the feasting table. Not that I was made to feel an explanation was necessary but let me say this about that.... As a self avowed oralist I must draw my line in the sand, and this is the spot where it begins. I will accommodate and or encourage as safe a sex act as is warranted in any given situation, except this one. Without the reward of the result of the effort, the inclination is lost and a good time is had by none.... Life looses it's value if no risk is worth the taking. As a growing youth I discovered I did not like sand In my mouth, and as it's base elements are the same as the membrane of which we speak I care to have neither touch my lips. And anyway as a child my mother told me to never, never put a plastic bag over my head or in my mouth. Smart women, my mother. My exceptable risk level is drawn to include the rewards of the nectar of creation. Where's your line in the sand?Popeye